Sam Frost and Howard Denham – #3
Let me call the reader’s attention to some things about this post.
1. At the time of this writing Frost has still not responded with a single key stroke to even one of the exegetical arguments. Not a word.
2. As I write this, I have not found a word from Denham cited by anyone, in which he responded. He may well have posted something on his own page (that I have blocked and cannot read from), but if so, I have not had anyone inform me of that.
3. Frost then made a blatantly false claim. He said that I never gave an answer to the question of the present day vindication of martyrs if there is no coming Day of the Lord. It is deeply disturbing that Frost has no problem making flagrantly false claims these days. Take a look at what I wrote in the previous article:
<<Are martyrs vindicated today, when persecuted for their faith? Of course. We live post parousia, post judgment, and thus: “Blessed are those who die in the Lord from henceforth. Yea, says the Spirit, for they shall rest from their labors.” (Revelation 14:13).” (EOQ).
The words are there, in black and white, in direct, explicit response to Mr. Frost’s question. Yet, he claims that I did not even address his question at all.
With all of this before the reader, let me now share what I followed up with as further comment on Frost and Denham’s claims.
This too is a bit lengthy, but, let me reiterate how important it is for the reader to be able to have the full context and content of the discussion. So, here is my further response. After this, I will point out even more of Frost and Denham’s fatal errors / arguments.
First of all, I want the readers of this discussion to take careful note that I made several exegetical arguments above. Go back and read them carefully. What was Frost’s response to a single one of those arguments? At the posting of this article, it is, “The Sound of Silence”– resounding silence! So typical of Mr. Frost these days. But, let me answer Mr. Frost’s quibbles that he thinks are so strong.
Frost says: <<He (that is me, DKP) confirms that here for us again, in that, to think that God does indeed conform history to his way, and does indeed still do what He did in the past in terms of “inbreaking into history”, then we have to have “Babylon again, another Day, another resurrection, etc.”
Such logic is hardly rational following what I quoted already from him. Was there a Babylon each time? Is this the first time God vindicated in AD 70?>> (EOQ).
Well, what is being omitted here is what I have discussed in other places, and that is that in each of those prior Days of the Lord, the Lord sent His prophets, HIS INSPIRED, INFALLIBLE, AUTHORITATIVE PROPHETS, TO HERALD THAT IMPENDING DAY! (Caps for emphasis only).
So, when Mr. Frost– or Denham for that matter – posits a yet future Day of the Lord, we have the right, no, we have the responsibility, to ask, are there now, or will there be, INSPIRED, INFALLIBLE, AUTHORITATIVE PROPHETS, TO HERALD THAT IMPENDING DAY! Mr. Frost, will you answer?
Are there now, or will there be INSPIRED, INFALLIBLE, AUTHORITATIVE PROPHETS, TO HERALD THAT IMPENDING FINAL DAY! Yes or No? If not, why not?
Take note of this, folks: In Revelation 11 we find the two witnesses, two prophets, proclaiming the coming of the judgment of the city where the Lord was slain. Sam Frost agrees that this was Old Covenant Jerusalem! Well, catch this! That judgment is the time of the dead that they should be judged and the time for the rewarding of the prophets– it is the resurrection! And for those who may not have seen the discussion between Frost and myself on the sounding of the seventh trump, I. E. The “last trump” for the resurrection, I will be posting that exchange on a separate FB page in the near future.
For now, the indisputable fact is that Revelation 11 posits the presence of INSPIRED, INFALLIBLE, AUTHORITATIVE PROPHETS, PROPHETS WORKING MIRACLES AND HERALDING THAT IMPENDING RESURRECTION!
The resurrection of Revelation 11 is the resurrection of Revelation 20- the resurrection at the end of the millennium
Revelation 11 posits the presence and work of inspired, infallible, authoritative prophets, performing miracles, to herald that impending resurrection day of revelation 11.
Therefore, there are inspired, infallible, authoritative prophets, performing miracles, to herald the impending resurrection day of Revelation 20. (Which Frost and Denham posit at their imagined “end of time resurrection”)
Now, take note, that unless Frost has changed his mind – again – he does not believe in the presence of inspired, authoritative prophets today, and I can assure you that Denham doesn’t)!
Side Bar: This poses huge problems for Mr. Denham who posits Babylon as Rome– if I am not mistaken! That means that INSPIRED, INFALLIBLE, AUTHORITATIVE PROPHETS, OPERATED WITH MIRACULOUS GIFTS UNTIL THE FALL OF ROME! I can assure you that Denham does not believe that, but any identification of Babylon as Rome demands it!
More to come! In the meantime, for an in-depth study of martyr vindication and eschatology, get a copy of Sam Dawson’s great new book on Revelation: Revelation Realized. It is available from me, but not yet listed on my websites. But, it is an excellent work and one that you need in your library! Contact me for information on how to order.