Answering Objections to Answers to Objections!!

Answering Some Objections to Answers to Objections!

I recently introduced what is to me one of the most exciting books I have ever written, entitled Temple to Telos. The premise of the book is that the first century temple in Jerusalem had to be standing and valid for the fulfillment of the final three feast days. According to Paul in Colossians 2:16-17 those feast day were still standing valid as shadows of the good things about to come, in circa AD 62. What is so important about this is that those final three feast days, Rosh Ha Shanah (Feast of Trumpets), Yom Kippor (Day of Atonement) and Succot (Feast of Harvest) foreshadowed the Day of Judgment, the coming of the Lord for salvation and the Harvest / Resurrection. Needless to say, if those feast days are not fulfilled, then the entirety of the Law of Moses– every jot and every tittle- stands valid and imposed to this day. If those feast days are fulfilled, then all futurist eschatology is false!

Needless to say, the book has set off a fire storm of controversy ! Numerous people have posted “responses” and challenges to my premises. Some, amazingly, have argued that the Temple is actually unimportant in God’s scheme, that the only thing that mattered at all, was the timing of the feast days! (This is one of the most specious and desperate arguments one will ever encounter).

Nonetheless, I felt it important to respond to some of the objections so that readers can see for themselves that the objections will not stand and the truth of the book stands firm. Thus, on  12-21-2022, I published a YouTube video addressing several, but not all, (more videos coming) of the objections that have been leveled against the book, so far. Just this morning (12-22-2022), when I opened up my email I had notification from a poster who goes by the handle of “thelawoffaith6018.”  I had other notifications from others as well, but this Objector’s post was one of the longest. So, I decided to Answer the Objection to the Answers to the Objections, by sharing their post. Be sure to watch the video first, and then, be sure to to read the Objection- in its entirety below- with my response.

 

This video did not touch any argument made against Don’s view of the feast days. It was nothing but a straw man argument against a position never set forth. No one has said the place or the Levitical priesthood was not important from the time they were established shortly after Sinai until the old covenant law of Moses passed away. And anything Don said about the conditions before the cross are completely irrelevant. Which was 90% of the video. It was only after the cross that things changed. So you can ignore anything that was said about things that happened before the cross. My argument is that the true meaning of all seven feasts of the Lord found their fulfillment under the blood and priesthood of Christ. And in the tabernacle that the Lord erected. Which was clearly already in existence when Hebrews was written. (Hebrews 8:1-2). The first four feasts were fulfilled in Christ at “approximately” the same time the old covenant types were happening. Although the Passover FEAST MEAL itself was celebrated by Jesus with His apostles early. And it’s time of fulfillment is a subject Don has completely observed the passover on. He just passed over it. This simultaneous observation of the first four feasts is only because the OC was still being recognized by God at this time. But the lamb in the temple or in anyone’s home didn’t do anything to fulfill the true Passover the day Jesus died on the cross. They just happened at the same time. That’s all. They were just shadows to help the people understand. It is obvious that God didn’t expect the whole nation to learn the gospel of the NC overnight. It would take years for them all just to hear about it. So the OC was still recognized by God until the transition time allowed had expired. And Don never even mentioned the most serious objection of all. And this one has been raised by 4 or 5 different commenters. The fact that the temple was already destroyed before the appointed times for the last three feasts in AD 70. These were the fall feast days. The temple was destroyed two months before God’s appointed time for His feasts. Don seems so intent that they be observed according to the law. And the “timing” of eschatological events are usually the most important thing to Don. But he sees the train coming on this problem and makes an argument that is absolutely stunning. He claims the days were shortened. Lol. And there is not a single word in all of Holy Writ about the days being shortened for the feasts to be fulfilled early. That is a complete fabrication. The fact that the last three feasts were fulfilled after the temple fell was a sure sign that God was no longer honoring the old temple services at all. Peace and blessings!
Here now is my response to “thelawoffaith.” I have “reformatted it” for publication here.
You are simply not telling the truth. The objections were lodged by one person and I read those objections directly. So, it is a totally false charge to claim that my video was not addressing objections that had been made. Why would you make such a blatantly false claim? The objector is the one that was claiming that the situations in Egypt, before Sinai, is a serious objection to my book. I was responding to that claim,
It is funny that you claim “anything Don said about the conditions before the cross are completely irrelevant.” By making this claim you are saying that the great bulk of what the Objector offered was irrelevant! LOL! They sure thought it was important, but you say it is irrelevant!
You claim that it was only after the cross that things changed. Well, the necessity for the fulfillment of the final three feast days did not change! YET– They were still unfulfilled when Paul wrote Colossians. If you say that they are still unfulfilled, then you are thereby claiming that in truth– NOTHING CHANGED AT THE CROSS SINCE EVERY JOT AND EVERY TITTLE OF THE OLD LAW HAD TO BE FULFILLED BEFORE ANY OF IT COULD PASS!
You claim that I did not address the most serious of the objections. Well, patience grasshopper! I stated openly that I was not addressing all of the objections in the first video, so your claim is off target and misplaced.
Then, you make this rather remarkable– and self defeating claim– //The first four feasts were fulfilled in Christ at “approximately” the same time the old covenant types were happening. Although the Passover FEAST MEAL itself was celebrated by Jesus with His apostles early. And it’s time of fulfillment is a subject Don has completely observed the passover on. He just passed over it. This simultaneous observation of the first four feasts is only because the OC was still being recognized by God at this time. But the lamb in the temple or in anyone’s home didn’t do anything to fulfill the true Passover the day Jesus died on the cross.//
THANKS SO MUCH!!! Yes, the first four feast days were fulfilled while the Law was still recognized! Thank you! THAT IS MY POINT! Now, show us, from scripture, where the last three feast days could be, or can be, fulfilled in total independence of the Law being valid and binding! After all, in Hebrews 9:6-10– a text that you have consistently done the PASSOVER on– it emphatically teaches that the temple and the cultus was to stand valid, imposed ‘until the time of reformation” which is the time of fulfillment!
Here is a little syllogism for you to ponder:
The law of Moses had to be still recognized by God (valid and imposed) for the fulfillment of the first four feast days– So agrees the LawofFaith.
But, every jot and every tittle of the Law of Moses- WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE FINAL THREE FEAST DAYS– had to be fulfilled for the Law of Moses to pass away.
Therefore, until the fulfillment of the last three feast days, the Law of Moses would or will remain valid, imposed and recognized by God.
So, once again, show us, from scripture, where the last three feast days could be, or can be, fulfilled in total independence of the Law being valid and binding! I will have to insist that you answer this and not ignore it as you are prone to do.
Then, you offer “the most serious objection”: //Don never even mentioned the most serious objection of all. And this one has been raised by 4 or 5 different commenters. The fact that the temple was already destroyed before the appointed times for the last three feasts in AD 70.//
Well, like I said, I never covered / discussed every objection that has been offered. So, you are demanding that I follow YOUR schedule in answering. The fact is that I began at pretty much the very chronological beginning of the objections that were posted. So, exactly what right do you have to tell me how to go about answering the objections?
The fact is the Jesus said that in the destruction of Jerusalem, “all things written must be fulfilled.” Those all things written included the fulfillment of Rosh Ha Shanah, the Feast of Trumpets, which foreshadowed the Judgment.
Likewise, Christ came, the second time, in the destruction, thus fulfilling Yom Kippur.
Finally, the time of the harvest was at the judgment of Babylon, the city where the Lord was crucified (Revelation 14:6ff)
Now, since Jesus posited the fulfillment of all of the tenets of the final three feast days at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem, then I am sticking with that, in spite of the fact that you don’t like it and that it destroys your paradigm. Thus, the “best” objection falls in the face of the emphatic teaching of the Lord.
So, when you say: //And there is not a single word in all of Holy Writ about the days being shortened for the feasts to be fulfilled early.// This totally and completely ignores the fact that Jesus– speaking of the days of Vengeance, the days of Rosh Ha Shanah– said, “unless those days be shortened, none even of the elect would be saved.” Thus, once again, you have to ignore the words of Jesus to sustain your objection.
And then, finally, you say (this is simply incredible!): //The fact that the last three feasts were fulfilled after the temple fell was a sure sign that God was no longer honoring the old temple services at all. //
Guess what? Hebrews 9 says that the temple and the cultus would stand valid and imposed until the time of fulfillment– remember?
But then, you tell us that the final three feast days were “fulfilled after the temple fell”- WOW! Thank you so very much! I did not realize that you are now a full preterist! You do know, don’t you, that those final three feast days– as I document in the book– foreshadowed: The judgment The coming of the Lord The resurrection!! So, when, in your desperation, you admit that the final three feast days have been fulfilled, then you are tacitly admitting that The judgment, The coming of the Lord and the resurrection have been fulfilled!! Your post makes not one valid point. But, keep studying! In light of some of these remarkable and wonderful admissions you have made, “thou are not far from the kingdom!”
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After I posted my response on 12-22-2022: LawofFaith responded, and then I responded:

 @MrDonPreston  Wow! I have never encountered a man who can talk so much and write so much and say so little. Everything you have asked me is based in your unproven presuppositions. Let’s just focus on one of your many unproven presuppositions. You claim that the Feast of Tabernacles is fulfilled by a final resurrection and that you document that in your book. Well, I’m not concerned about what you may have learned from the unbelieving Jewish rabbis. But you most assuredly have not documented that from the Scriptures. And until you do, there is nothing to answer. The Feast of Tabernacles actually foreshadowed the time when God would tabernacle with His people on earth. You also conveniently overlooked one of my earlier comments and arguments about the Feast of Tabernacles. Which is the only one I have even claimed is still relevant today. Observe the following verse about what happens after the AD 70 events —

“And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.” Zech.14:16

Until you prove from Scripture that the Feast of Tabernacles foreshadows a final resurrection, and explain why it is still being kept by the NATIONS after 70, then you are doing nothing but blowing smoke. Have a blessed day!

@MrDonPreston 12-22-2022

@thelawoffaith6018  So, without addressing even one of arguments or responses, you just wave your hand and say I did not answer. Not very convincing.

You claim: //No one has said the place or the Levitical priesthood was not important from the time they were established shortly after Sinai until the old covenant law of Moses passed away.//
Well, you evidently have not read all the comments because that is PRECISELY what some have argued, claiming that — and I read this in the video, had you paid attention– by claiming that place and priesthood were not important! The ONLY THING – they claimed– was the timing of the feast days! So, don’t claim that no one has made the objection that I mentioned and claim that I was setting up a straw man, because that is patently false.

The Feast of Tabernacles foreshadowed the harvest. The ingathering. (BTW, have you even read my book and the documentation???)

Now, you told us in your original post this morning that all three feast days are fulfilled. NOW HOWEVER, you tell us that the feast of Tabernacles is still applicable! Thus, the entirety of the Law — not just part of it– but EVERY JOT AND EVERY TITTLE IS STILL BINDING!

I posted the following and insisted that you answer– but you ignored it. So, here it is again:
The law of Moses had to be still recognized by God (valid and imposed) for the fulfillment of the first four feast days– So agrees the LawofFaith.

But, every jot and every tittle of the Law of Moses- WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE FINAL THREE FEAST DAYS– had to be fulfilled for the Law of Moses to pass away.

Therefore, until the fulfillment of the last three feast days, the Law of Moses would or will remain valid, imposed and recognized by God.

So, once again, show us, from scripture, where the last three feast days could be, or can be, fulfilled in total independence of the Law being valid and binding!

You tell us that the Feast of Tabernacles is about God dwelling with us, as if that is the ONLY meaning. Now, I agree it is a vital part of Succot. But let’s look closer, shall we:

The feast of Tabernacles is about God dwelling with man– Ok:

Revelation 21: 1-3:

 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

Tell us, LoF, when was that to be fulfilled? Let’s see now:

And he said to me, “Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand. 11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him [a]be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

Did Jesus fail to come and fulfill Verses 1-3? Will you answer?

BTW, your denial that the Feast of Harvest is about resurrection is unbelievable– literally! Upon what basis do you deny that the feast of HARVEST is about the resurrection?? Have you never read Matthew 13 or Revelation 14???? You do know that the harvest IS the resurrection– don’t you?

Be sure to order a copy of this new book, Temple to Telos, to help determine for yourself how important the temple and the feast days were for God’s eschatological narrative.