A Charge of Misrespresentation Refuted – #4

I am currently examining and refuting the claim by Joel McDurmon that in our debate, held July, 2012, in Ardmore, Ok., I misrepresented him in various “quotations” and demonstrated a lack of scholarly integrity. His claim is false to the core, as I have already shown, but, there is more. Be sure to read the previous articles #1, #2, #3.

DVDs of that debate, as well as a book, in both Kindle and paperback, are also available, so be sure to get your own copy and see that I did not, misrepresent McDurmon’s views.


In a recent article posted on the American Vision website, McDurmon wrote this of the Zion promises and prophecies:  “What is Zion but the Spirit-Indwelt people of God? What is the Temple except these same Indwelt people of God?” (Cut and pasted from: http://americanvision.org/7260/the-dome-of-the-rock-will-make-a-nice-church-some-day/).

But wait! Make no mistake, McDurmon believes we are still waiting on Zion– an earthly, physical Zion. (So, we are not waiting, yet we are waiting!) But, as we will see momentarily, the verses he appeals to are the verses that he also says were fulfilled– in AD 70! Confused? You should be, for the Dominionist hermeneutic is confused and confusing to say the least.

But, let me ask again: if you were reading McDurmon’s comments above, in which he seeks to refute Horton, who posits a future Zion, saying that we are today pilgrims on our way to Zion, would you ever get the idea that McDurmon actually believes that some of the Zion promises are unfulfilled? Would you ever get the idea that at least in some way, McDurmon would agree with Horton that we are still “marching on to Zion”? Of course you would not! Would you ever get from the words “Zion has, as it were, been revealed to be fulfilled in the ascended Christ” the idea that some Zion promises have not yet been fulfilled, they are not spiritualized, and will yet be fulfilled in an earthly, physical kingdom? Clearly, you would never get that idea from his article.

Now, make no mistake, McDurmon says he believes we are waiting for “Zion” to come down out of heaven, and that he is looking for a future earthly, physical kingdom with Jesus ruling as king over this earthly physical kingdom. (See my articles on Dispensational Dominionism, in which I demonstrate that Joel’s theology is simply Dispensationalism in modified clothes).
So, here is what we have, the Zion prophecies have been “spiritualized” and “fulfilled” in Christ and the church. (Notice I have used the quotation marks in the way that McDurmon said was accurate). He tells us we must honor the past tense verbs in Hebrews 12, thus, Zion has come!

He said in the debate for instance, that 1 Corinthians 15 and Revelation 20 had a fulfillment in AD 70, but, we are still awaiting the “final fulfillment.”  (Of course, you would need to remember that McDurmon, arguing on the meaning of the Greek genetai, claimed that he was not aware of any passage where the word signified “fully come to pass,” “to be fully accomplished.” (My terms) And yet, he argued that 1 Corinthians 15:54 “then shall be brought to pass” (genetai) will one day be fully accomplished! It pointed out his inconsistency in the debate, but he never offered a word of explanation as to how he could deny that genetai ever means fully accomplished but then claim that Corinthians anticipates the full accomplishment!

Like most Dominionists, McDurmon believes the events of the first century were typological, or a foreshadowing of the future end of the age events. (This in spite of the fact that he calls the Dispensational doctrine of prophetic Double Fulfillment unbiblical. So, Dispensationalism is unbiblical in seeing double fulfillment of prophecy, but McDurmon sees multiple fulfillments! See what I mean by Dominionism being confused and confusing?) Be sure to read my new book, AD 70: A Shadow of the “Real” End? for a devastating critique and refutation of this view. That book is also available on Kindle. There is no Biblical support to justify this claim. We will have more in the next installment, so stay tuned!