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Email Exchange: Revelation and the Trumpets of God

From: Larry

To: Don Preston

Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:02 AM

Subject: Hello

Hey Don, I won’t bug you anymore for awhile, but I was re-reading your book Who is this Babylon, and it says in Rev. 10:7 that the mystery of God (I guess this is the gospel or Jew/Gentile equality in Christ) was finished BEFORE/ or when he was ABOUT to sound. But Jesus began to reign AFTER he sounded, Rev.11:15f. Are you saying Christ did not began to reign until after the gospel was preached? Sure sounds like that in the context of the 7th angel in Rev. I know I was taught that Christ began his reign at His acension and then the gospel began to be preached on Pentecost. In Acts 2, Ps.110, etc. it looks like this was the case. Thanks, Larry

 

My Response:

Larry, sorry for the delay. I am just swamped! That is a good thing, but it makes responding to my emails a bit slow!

I do take Revelation 10:7 as speaking of the bringing in the fullness of the Gentiles, of Romans 11:25-27 at the completion of Paul’s personal ministry. There is no doubt that Paul had the distinctive, personal responsibility of completing the mystery of God (Colossians 1:24-27). S0,

The mystery of God– Jew and Gentile equality in Christ– would be completed at the beginning of the sounding of the seventh trump (Revelation 10:7).

But, the completion of the mystery of God–Jew and Gentile equality in Christ– was the personal mission and responsibility of Paul in his apostolic ministry (Colossians 1:24-27).

Therefore, the beginning of the sounding of the seventh trump belongs to the time of the personal apostolic ministry of Paul.

As to the reign of Christ: Christ ascended to the Father to sit at the right hand until his enemies were made his footstool. While at the right hand, in fulfillment of Psalms 110:1-4– he would “rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.” Thus, there is no doubt that he was ruling. (In spite of what some people claim to the contrary). What we have in Revelation 11 is Christ coming in the full exercise of his sovereign authority, after having received the kingdom from the Father– per Luke 19.

So, there was a period of time in which Christ, having received the kingdom consolidated his authority so to speak– he was in the process of putting down his enemies from Pentecost / enthronement. This is corroborated by Paul’s use of the present active and present passive indicatives in 1 Corinthians 15, where he speaks of the then on-going putting down of Christ’s enemies, and the then present, on-going process of the resurrection. See my upcoming book on 1 Thessalonians 4:13f, entitled We Shall Meet Him In The Air, The Wedding of the Kind of kings for a fuller discussion of the present tense verbs in 1 Corinthians 15. My book is due out “in a very, very little while”). Also, Jack Scott gave a fantastic lesson on the present tenses of 1 Corinthians 15 at our Preterist Pilgrim Weekend last year (2008).

So, what we have in Revelation 11 is perfect harmony with 1 Corinthians 15. Paul said in Corinthians that Christ was reigning (“he must reign”– is a present infinitive indicating that Christ was presently ruling when Paul wrote. He was putting down his enemies, but, “the last enemy to be destroyed (put down, subjugated), is death. The last enemy would be put down at the resurrection.

In Revelation 11, at the destruction of the city “where the Lord was slain” it is the time when Christ perfects his reign, and exercises it in that judgment. This is declared to be the time of the dead that they should be judged, and the time to reward the prophets. This is the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15, and it is positively posited at the judgment of Old Covenant Jerusalem, just as Corinthians is posited at the end of the Old Law, the Law that was the sting of death (Torah)!!

Revelation 11 is one of the most ignored resurrection passages in the Bible. Yet, there is no doubt that it is placed at the time of the judgment of the city “where the Lord was slain.” It is likewise the time of the rewarding of the prophets, which Daniel 12:2-13, places at the time “when the power of the holy people is completley shattered.”

When we see that the Biblical evidence for the completion of the mystery confines that to the personal ministry of Paul, as I prove in my Babylon book, this amounts to prima facie proof that the resurrection had to occur in the first century, at the fall of Jerusalem.

In sum, then, Revelation 10:7 is the beginning of the sounding of the seventh trump. Revelation 11:15f is at the full blast of the seventh trump. Paul’s ministry in completing the mystery was before the fall of the city where the Lord was slain. The full sounding of the seventh trump (i.e. the last trump of 1 Corinthians 15 by the way!), was the consummation. There is only a very short period of time involved, but, there was a process going on from sounding to consummation.

Hope this helps!

 

For His Truth, and in His Grace,
Don K. Preston

 

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