Written Debates

B18 (Dobbs-V-Preston) 9th Affirmative By Don Preston

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DOBBS-V-PRESTON WRITTEN DEBATE
DON K. PRESTON’S NINTH AFFIRMATIVE

    Dobbs’ last is his worst!

Dobbs gets one thing right: “it is the responsibility of the negative to disprove the affirmative’s position. It would be illogical for the negative to accept the burden of proof.”

Yet, he refuses to respond to my many affirmative propositions, claiming he does not have to follow me, that he can’t prove a negative.

You do have to follow me. That is your responsibility. You haven’t, because you can’t.

Buster presents an affirmative argument, while admitting it “would be illogical for the negative to accept the burden of proof.” He assumed the illogical task, while ignoring his responsibility.

Dobbs offers an affirmative:

“Jesus will return from heaven to earth a second and final time (Acts 1:11; Heb 9:28).

When Jesus comes the ultimate time, the universe as originally created will disappear Rev 6:12-17; 2 Pet 3:8-11.

The created universe has not ceased to exist; therefore, Jesus did not make an ultimate return in A. D. 70.”

Buster, you are supposed to analyze my arguments, proving them false. The reader will see immediately that you have not even tried. Unlike my exegetical affirmatives, Dobbs is guilty of petitio principii, i.e. begging the question.

Dobbs assumes that the coming of Hebrews 9:28 is still future. Future then must mean future now. Proof? None! The Hebrews writer said that parousia was coming in a “very, very little while” (hosan, hosan micron, 10:37).

Dobbs assumes Peter predicted the end of literal creation. Proof? Why, Dobbs says so!

His syllogism is false because both premises assume what must be proven.

Let’s examine 2 Peter 3.

2 Peter 3:1-2– Peter said that this chapter was a reminder of what he said in the first epistle about the time of the end. What did he say there?
1.) 1 Peter 1:5f– Salvation was “ready to be revealed” at the parousia.
2.) That salvation-posited at the parousia-was predicted by the O. T. prophets (1:10-12).
3.) That parousia was not near in the days of the prophets, but was near in Peter’s day
(1:10-12).
4.) Christ was ready (hetoimos –standing ready–a term of imminence) to judge the living/dead (4:5).
5.) The “end of all things has drawn near” (4:7)
6.) “The time,” (appointed time, kairos) for “the judgment” had come (4:17). (Note the use of the anaphoric article here, referring back to the previous mention of judgment, i.e. v. 5). This is an emphatic declaration that the time for the judgment of the living/dead had come.

Peter’s prediction of the Day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3 is a reiteration of what he said in 1 Peter (2 Peter 3:1-2).
But, in 1 Peter, he said the parousia was near. It was not near in the days of the O. T. prophets, but was near when he wrote.
Therefore, the parousia in 2 Peter 3 was near.

Note: Peter said the end of all things had “drawn near” (1 Peter 4:7). He uses the identical Greek word and tense (eggeken), that Jesus used to announce the nearness of the kingdom (Matthew 4:17). Dobbs is adamant that it had to be fulfilled soon, not 2000 years later. He believes it is a denial of inspiration to deny that time statement. Yet, he denies that the end had truly drawn near when Peter wrote.

Note:
Peter said “the end of all things has drawn near.”
The scoffers said “all things continue as they were.”
Dobbs denies that the end had drawn near.
Dobbs agrees with the scoffers!
Buster, was Peter wrong? Had the end of all things drawn near, when Peter wrote? Yes or No?

Peter said the Day of the Lord and New Creation was “according to his promise” (3:13).

The New Creation prophecy of 2 Peter 3 is based on the O. T. prophecies (2 Peter 3:1-2, 13).
The O. T. prophecy that specifically predicted the New Creation is Isaiah 65-66.
But, the New Creation promised by Isaiah 65-66 would arrive when Old Covenant Israel was destroyed: “I will destroy you, and call my people by a new name…for behold, I create a new heavens and earth” (v. 13f).
Therefore, the New Creation of 2 Peter 3 would arrive when Old Covenant Israel was destroyed.

The New Creation of 2 Peter 3 is the New Creation of Revelation 21.
The New Creation of Revelation 21 would arrive at the parousia of Christ.
But, the parousia of Christ was coming soon (Revelation 22:6, 10-12).
Therefore, the New Creation of 2 Peter 3 was coming soon.

Dobbs has failed, miserably, again.