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B14 (Dobbs-V-Preston) 7th Affirmative By Don Preston

DOBBS-V-PRESTON WRITTEN DEBATE
DON K. PRESTON’S SEVENTH AFFIRMATIVE

Dobbs has patently abdicated. In my previous, I asked him fourteen direct questions. He ignored every question! Dobbs knows he cannot refute the truth of my arguments, so, he ignores them! This reveals his desperation.

Dobbs repeats his mantra: “Similar things are not necessarily identical.”

Here was my argument:
Jesus– Old Covenant Jerusalem killed the prophets, Jesus, and his apostles and prophets (Matthew 23:29f; Luke 11:49f).
Paul– Old Covenant Jerusalem killed the prophets, Jesus, and was persecuting the apostles and prophets of Jesus (1 Thess. 2:15f; 2 Thess. 1:4f).
John– The city Babylon had killed the prophets (Rev. 16:6f),  Jesus (11:8), and Jesus’ apostles and prophets (18:20, 24).

He ignored this. His silence speaks volumes.
Buster, I challenge you to show that John spoke of something different than Jesus and Paul. If he didn’t, then Revelation is about the ultimate coming of Christ in judgment of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, and Dobbs knows it.  

Dobbs offered Mt. 13 as a definitive refutation, but when I answered, he is silent!!
My Argument:
Christ would come at the end of the age (Mt. 13:40-42).
At the end of the age the righteous will shine forth as the sun (v. 43). This is taken directly from Daniel 12:3!
But, the righteous would shine forth, “when the power of the holy people is completely shattered” (Daniel 12:7).
Buster, when was the power of the holy people completely shattered?

Will Dobbs answer?

I offered:
“Daniel 12:2 foretold the resurrection. Matthew 13:39f foretold the resurrection.
Daniel 12:3: the righteous would shine. Matthew 13:43: (citing Daniel) the righteous would shine.
Daniel 12:4 foretold the end of the age. Matthew 13:39f foretold the end of the age.
Daniel 12:6-7 says “all of these things” would be fulfilled, “when the power of the holy people is completely shattered.” Jesus’ prediction of his coming and the end of the age would be when Daniel 12:3 was fulfilled.
Thus, Jesus’ prediction of his coming, the resurrection, and the end of the age would be fulfilled when “the power of the holy people is completely shattered.”

Buster, I challenge you to tell the readers when the power of the holy people was completely shattered.”

Dobbs’ response? Silence!!

I have shown that Dobbs’ key text for refutation of preterism, is vindication instead! His total silence in response proves this is true!

Compare Daniel 12 with 1 Corinthians 15.

Daniel 12 predicted the time of the end (v. 4, 9f), as did 1 Corinthians 15 (v. 19f).
Daniel 12 foretold the time of the kingdom (v. 3), as did 1 Corinthians (v. 50f)
Daniel predicted the resurrection (v. 2), as did 1 Corinthians 15.
Daniel 12 predicted resurrection to everlasting life, Corinthians predicted resurrection to immortality.

So,
Daniel 12 foretold the same resurrection as 1 Corinthians 15.
But, the resurrection of Daniel 12 would be fulfilled when the power of the holy people was completely shattered (v. 7), A.D. 70.
Therefore, the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 was in A.D. 70.

Now Matthew 24.
Dobbs offers Matthew 24 as definitive refutation. Wrong, again!

If I prove that any of Mt. 24:36-25:46 predicted A.D. 70, Dobbs’ entire theory crumbles. He knows this.

Matthew 25:1-13 is the ultimate parousia of Christ for the wedding.
But, in Matthew 22, the wedding would occur when the city that rejected and persecuted  the servants sent to her, was destroyed (1-7).
The city that rejected and persecuted the servants sent to her, and that was destroyed, was Old Covenant Jerusalem.
Therefore, the wedding occurred at the destruction of Old Covenant Jerusalem.

Buster is the city destroyed in Matthew 22:7 Old Covenant Jerusalem? Please answer!!

Is Matthew 22 a different wedding than Matthew 25? Please answer!!

If Matthew 22 is the same wedding– and it is– then Matthew 25 is the wedding of Christ at the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, and another of Buster’s key passages to definitively refute Preston vindicates Realized Eschatology!

Revelation agrees:
The wedding would occur at the ultimate parousia of Christ at the destruction of the city Babylon.
Babylon is the city that killed the prophets, Jesus, and his apostles and prophets, i.e. Jerusalem.
Therefore, the wedding occurred at the parousia of Christ in the destruction of Jerusalem.

Buster, I challenge you, again, to tell us, did Babylon of Revelation kill the prophets, Jesus, and his apostles and prophets? Yes or No?                         

Buster, honor the rules of debate, and respond to my affirmatives. Ignoring my affirmatives manifests your desperation and the falsehood of your doctrine.

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