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B12 (Dobbs-V-Preston) 6th Affirmative by Don Preston

DOBBS-V-PRESTON WRITTEN DEBATE
DON K. PRESTON’S SIXTH AFFIRMATIVE
SUBMITTED 5-26-06

Brother Dobbs has capitulated. His last is one of the worst “negatives” I have ever seen offered in debate. I made eight affirmative arguments, asking for direct answers. He ignored everything, claiming one argument was “incoherent.” He claims he has no responsibility to respond!

I offered;
Jesus– Old Covenant Jerusalem killed the prophets, Jesus, and his apostles and prophets (Matthew 23:29f; Luke 11:49f).
Paul– Old Covenant Jerusalem killed the prophets, Jesus, and was persecuting the apostles and prophets of Jesus (1 Thess. 2:15f; 2 Thess. 1:4f).
John– The city Babylon had killed the prophets (Rev. 16:6f),  Jesus (11:8), and Jesus’ apostles and prophets (18:20, 24).
Therefore, Babylon was O. T. Jerusalem.

Dobbs says this is incoherent, and “similarity is not identity.”

Challenge:
Buster, did Babylon of Revelation kill the prophets (Rev. 16:6f)? Yes or No?
Is Babylon of Revelation  where the Lord was slain (Rev. 11:8)? Yes or No?
Did Babylon of Revelation kill the apostles and prophets of Jesus (Rev. 18:20, 24)? Yes or No?

PLEASE ANSWER!!

If Babylon of Revelation did these things, then it is not mere similarity with Matthew 23, 1 Thessalonians 2:15f, it is identity. And, Dobbs knows his futurism is doomed. Thus, he refused to answer a single argument.

Dobbs says Matthew 13:40-42 refutes Preston. Wrong, it affirms!
Christ would come at the end of the age (Mt. 13:40-42).
At the end of the age the righteous will shine forth as the sun (v. 43). This is taken directly from Daniel 12:3!
But, the righteous would shine forth, “when the power of the holy people is completely shattered” (Daniel 12:7).
Buster, tell us plainly: when was the power of the holy people completely shattered? Do not evade!
PLEASE ANSWER!

Affirmative:
Daniel 12:2 foretold the resurrection. Matthew 13:39f foretold the resurrection.
Daniel 12:3: the righteous would shine. Matthew 13:43: (citing Daniel) the righteous would shine.
Daniel 12:4 foretold the end of the age. Matthew 13:39f foretold the end of the age.
Daniel 12:6-7 says “all of these things” would be fulfilled, “when the power of the holy people is completely shattered.” Jesus’ prediction of his coming and the end of the age would be when Daniel 12:3 was fulfilled.
Thus, Jesus’ prediction of his coming, the resurrection, and the end of the age would be fulfilled when “the power of the holy people is completely shattered.”

Buster, tell us, when was the power of the holy people completely shattered?

Unless Buster can prove, definitively, that Jesus was not predicting what Daniel predicted, this proves that Matthew 13:39f was to be fulfilled “when the power of the holy people is completely shattered.”

If you claim “similarity is not identity,” then tell us:
Is the resurrection of Daniel 12:2 different than the resurrection of Matthew 13?
What is the difference between the righteous shining, in Daniel 12, and Matthew 13?
Is “the end” in Daniel 12:4 different than“the end” in Matthew 13?

PLEASE ANSWER!!

Since Dobbs refused to answer my previous arguments, I will repeat, seeking direct answers.

Argument:
The (ultimate) coming of Christ in judgment of Babylon is the judgment of the city that killed the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles and prophets of Jesus (Rev. 16:6f; 11:8; 18:20, 24). True or False? If false, prove your case!
The city guilty of killing the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles and prophets of Jesus was Old Covenant Jerusalem. True or False?
Therefore, the ultimate coming of Christ in Revelation was Christ’s coming in judgment of O.T. Jerusalem.

Argument:
Jesus: Christ was coming on the clouds, in his generation, in judgment of Jerusalem when her cup of sin was full for killing the prophets, Jesus and his apostles (Mt. 24:29-34). Is this True, or False, Buster?
John: Christ was coming on the clouds, soon, in judgment of Babylon, because her cup of sin was full for killing the prophets, Jesus and his apostles (Rev. 22:10-12). Is this True, or False, bro. Dobbs?
Therefore, the coming of Christ in Revelation, the ultimate coming, was the A.D. 70 coming of Christ against Jerusalem for filling her cup of sin for killing the prophets, Jesus and his apostles.

Dobbs’ grossly evasive answers to my questions Re: Matthew 22, reveal his desperation.

Dobbs says if he did not see the parousia, it did not happen. Matthew 24:29f predicted Christ’s coming on the clouds, with angels and trumpet blast. Buster, has this happened? Yes, or No? Do not fail to answer!

The utter bankruptcy of Dobbs’ futurism is patently obvious.

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