Written Debates

B10 (Dobbs-V-Preston) 5th Affirmative by Don Preston

DOBBS-V-PRESTON WRITTEN DEBATE
DON K. PRESTON’S FIFTH AFFIRMATIVE
Submitted 5-5-06

Dobbs criticizes, but does not refute. He ridicules me for not following him on 2 Peter 3. I am the affirmative, he the negative. He is to follow me, which he fails, badly, to do. He has not, once, examined one of my syllogisms, and tried to prove my propositions wrong.

Argument:
Jesus- Old Covenant Jerusalem killed the prophets, Jesus, and his apostles and prophets (Matthew 23:29f; Luke 11:49f).
Paul- Old Covenant Jerusalem killed the prophets, Jesus, and was persecuting the apostles and prophets of Jesus (1 Thess. 2:15f; 2 Thess. 1:4f).
John- The city Babylon had killed the prophets (16:6f),  Jesus (11:8), and Jesus, apostles and prophets (18:20, 24).
Therefore, Babylon was O. T. Jerusalem.

Argument:
The coming of Christ in judgment of Babylon (Rev. 14, 16, 18-19) is the ultimate coming of Christ. (Dobbs). .
But, Babylon of Revelation was O. T. Jerusalem.
Therefore, the ultimate coming of Christ was in the judgment of O. T. Jerusalem.

Argument:
The coming of Christ in judgment of Babylon is the judgment of the city that killed the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles and prophets of Jesus (Rev. 16:6f; 11:8; 18:20, 24). True or False, bro. Dobbs? Please answer!
The city guilty of killing the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles and prophets of Jesus was Old Covenant Jerusalem.  True or False? Please answer!
Therefore, the ultimate coming of Christ in Revelation was Christ’s coming  in judgment of O.T. Jerusalem.  True or False? Please answer!

Argument:
Jesus: Old Covenant Jerusalem had killed the O. T.  prophets. True or False?
Jesus: Old Covenant Jerusalem would kill Jesus & prophets (Luke 11:49f). True or False?
Jesus: It was not possible that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem (Luke 13:31f).True or False?
John: Babylon of Revelation had killed the O. T. prophets (16:6f), and was persecuting the prophets of Jesus (18:20, 24). True or False?
Therefore, Babylon of revelation was Old Covenant Jerusalem. True or False?

Argument:
Jesus: O.T. Jerusalem had killed the prophets, would kill Jesus and his apostles, and would fill the measure of her sin, in Jesus’ generation (Matthew 23:29-34).
Paul: O.T. Jerusalem had killed the prophets, Jesus and his apostles, and was filling  the measure of her sin (1 Thess. 2:15f)
 
John: Babylon of Revelation had killed the prophets, Jesus and his apostles, and had filled the measure of her sin (Rev. 17:6f; 18:5).
Therefore, Babylon of Revelation was O. T. Jerusalem.

Argument:
Jesus: Christ was coming on the clouds, in his generation, in judgment of O.T. Jerusalem when her cup of sin was full for killing the prophets, Jesus and his apostles (Mt. 24:29-34)
John: Christ was coming on the clouds, soon, in judgment of Babylon, because her cup of sin was full for killing the prophets, Jesus and his apostles (Rev. 22:10-12).
Therefore, the coming of Christ in Revelation, the ultimate coming, was the A.D. 70 coming of Christ against O. T. Jerusalem for filling her cup of sin for killing the prophets, Jesus and his apostles.

Argument:
Babylon of Revelation was Old Covenant Jerusalem.
The coming of Christ in judgment of Babylon is the ultimate coming of Christ (Dobbs).
Jesus would come in judgment of Jerusalem for killing the O. T. prophets, and Jesus= prophets, in A.D. 70 (Matthew 23:34f; 24:29-34). Dobbs agrees!
Jesus would come in judgment of Babylon, quickly, shortly, for killing the O. T. prophets, and Jesus= prophets (Rv. 22:6, 10-12).
Therefore, the ultimate coming of Christ was His A.D. 70 judgment of Jerusalem for killing the O. T. prophets and His prophets.

This agrees with what we have seen already:

The persecution of the Thessalonians, and the persecutors (the Jews), were the same in 1 Thessalonians 2:15f and 2 Thess. 1:4f.
Christ was coming in judgment of the Jewish persecutors of His saints, in the A.D. 70 parousia.
The coming of Christ in 2 Thessalonians 1 is the ultimate coming of Christ in judgment of the persecutors of the Thessalonians (the Jews).
Therefore, the coming of Christ to judge the persecutors of the Thessalonians was the A.D. 70 parousia.

Brother Dobbs, please answer the following RE: Matthew 22:1-14:
Whose wedding is represented?
Who had been invited, but spurned the invitation?
Who had mistreated the servants announcing the wedding?
To what city and what event did Jesus refer in Matthew 22:7 when the Master of the wedding sent out His army and burnt the city of those who had rejected the wedding invitation?

Dobbs cannot refute any of these arguments. My proposition is proven.   

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